This past weekend Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger fielded some four dozen questions from shareholders, analysts and reporters on things as diverse as the shares buyback, how to become a successful investor and the notorious "Buffett rule".
I expected that this year the main topic would be Buffett's heatlh, given that he recently announced he's got prostate cancer. But it was barely mentioned during the meeting, except for when Andrew Sorkin asked him how he was feeling. Buffett said he was great. Munger took issue with so much concern about Buffett and not much about him. Munger claimed he probably had prostate cancer too, but he wouldn't let anyone test him. That made the crowds laugh.
How to be a successful investor
In two separate questions, shareholders asked Buffett what he would do if he were starting today, what to buy and what to avoid. His advice for someone starting now would be to start early, build up a very good history of returns quickly and raise money to buy entire companies. He said he would have started earlier and sped up his early career to achieve what he has achieved later with Berkshire. The later part of his career he wouldn't change.
He again referred to chapters 8 and 20 of the Intelligent Investor by Ben Graham as the two most important chapters one should read to be good investors. His ideal MBA course would teach students how to value companies and how to think about markets, which are exactly the topics of these chapters.
As for what to avoid, he mentioned again one should steer clear from IPOs, since those tend to be done at the best time for the company and not the investor and they are typically hyped by media and analysts due to the fees associated with their sale. "Special promotions and commissions almost guarantee prices won't be cheapest", said Buffett.
Buffett would also avoid buying medium or long-term sovereign bonds from any country, including the US, right now.
BRK buyback and dividend
As is already usual, a shareholder asked why a buyback instead of a dividend and Buffett again explained that a dividend is not as tax efficient for shareholders as a buyback.
He's willing to buyback stock in unlimited amounts, so long the stock remains at or below 110% of price-to-book ratio, which significantly undervalues it, and that he keep at least $20 billion of working capital -- that's Berkshire's safety net.
When asked about the buyback and why he implied the stock was undervalued but he never let shareholders know when the stock is overvalued, Buffett explained that it would make for a very awkward moment if he were to publicly announce when Berkshire stock was overvalued. Makes sense.
He also answered a question on why the BRK was undervalued now and whether it was due to the "Buffett rule" he proposed. He didn't speculate on why it was so, but just said these are things that happen in the stock market.
Another shareholder asked him whether a dividend would help stabilize the stock price and reduce volatility by setting a floor for the stock and Buffett vaguely replied that in fact it wouldn't, that volatility happens for dividend payers too and that a dividend could also help increase volatility, but he didn't elaborate.
I sent journalists a question about gold, but they didn't ask it. Luckily, a shareholder asked a related question pointing out that gold has outpaced the return of BRK stock in the last 10 years.
Buffett, always with numbers on top of his head, replied that the price of gold and BRK 47 years ago where $15 a share and $20 per ounce, respectively and that now BRK/A trades for $120,000 while gold is at $1600. The problem, he explained, is that people look at short periods of when a security or asset had a strong return and try to extrapolate from it. (Granted, 10 years is not exactly a short period, but Buffett is a very long-term investor.) Both Munger and him emphasized again that productive assets are better than inert ones -- and they are more fulfilling and rewarding to hold, because one can see them grow and produce wealth, while inert things like gold remain the same forever.
This is a very controversial point and I will just add that the distinction does not need to be black and white. Buffett is a businessman and likes to invest in companies. In the long run, an investment in well-managed companies at the right price should outpace the return of gold. But gold has its place in a well-diversified portfolio, especially because it's so hard to pick well-managed companies and buy them for the right price. So, sometimes a return of zero (after inflation), which is what gold offers, might be a good thing, when the economy is in trouble.
Buffett's personal account
When asked why he owned JP Morgan Chase for his personal account but Wells Fargo for Berkshire's account, Buffett explained that securities laws would see a purchase of the same stock in both accounts as a conflict of interest. He likes Wells Fargo more than Chase, but he is not allowed to buy Wells Fargo for his personal account, so he buys his second-best idea instead. He said he reserves his best ideas for Berkshire, always.
Purchase of a newspaper
A shareholder asked why he bought the Omaha World-Herald paper if he had said a while back that newspapers are a dying industry. The shareholder insinuated that Buffett might be self-indulgent by buying his home town's paper. Buffett then explained that he bought it because that particular newspaper has a very tight local community around it and local newspapers are still a reasonable business. No one buys a newspaper for looking up national news, stock quotes or classifieds anymore. But for local news, obituaries and other local information, they can be useful. Another good local paper is the one he already owns, in Buffalo, New York.
Google and Apple
Asked about technology, Buffett explained that both Apple and Google are incredibly profitable companies with large margins and they will probably do well 5 to 10 years from now. They are hard for competitors to dislodge. But he wouldn't buy either because he doesn't have any edge on studying them. He wouldn't short them either. Charlie said they have a reverse edge in analyzing deeply technological companies such as these giants.
How fast will the economy grow
While not a fan of predicting the future, Buffett entertained a question about how to get a 4% return per year. He said that GDP tends to grow with the population (my note: plus changes in efficiency typically due to technology) and so anything more than a 1% real (i.e. after-inflation) return would be already a wonderful result for such a mature economy as the american one. Charlie agreed. At this rate, they added, the economy would double every 72 years or so and with inflation an indexing portfolio should double every generation.
The "Buffett" rule
Buffett clarified that his proposed tax rule is meant to correct a deviation that has been increasing in the recent years. Currently, out of the top 400 highest individual earners in the country, a full 131 of them pay a tax rate below 15%. Years ago this number was only 16. This shift has been made possible by various loopholes and tax breaks given to the rich. He suggests a way to fix that so that he himself should be taxed at a higher rate than his secretary, Debbie.
Energy policy and foreign oil
Munger was vocal about people thinking about "energy independence" the wrong way. He thinks we should use foreign oil first and conserve our own oil for later. Most people get this backwards and think of energy independence as extracting our own oil to avoid buying foreign oil.
In summary, it was again a very useful trip. Every year I learn something new, though, the main tenets of his investment methodology are repeated every year. But since repetition leads to solidification, that's not a bad thing.
Disclosures: I own BRK at the time of writing and I will probably own even more by this time next year. :-)
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